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EVERYTHING YOU'D RATHER NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT BRIAN ENO
Chrissie Hynd (1974) New Musical Express February 02: Pages 24 and 29
Everything you'd rather not have known about Brian Eno.
It was with a certain apprehensive curiosity that I first noticed the
brown lace-up shoes. He displayed a normalcy that I just couldn't
trust. After all, I'd seen his photos and I knew I was dealing with no
ordinary deviant.
Yet the toned-down reserve, the limp handshake (handshake?) and the
nice-guy inoffensiveness had me baffled. He just didn't come on like
someone who keeps an extensive collection of breast bondage literature
in the bathroom.
I mean, what do you say to this guy? "Oh hi Eno .... Hear you shaved
off your pubic hair?" He answers the door wearing a red satin kimono
and black dress pants. We pass through the dimly-lit hallway to a
large white room which consists entirely of a lit candle, two pillows,
tape recorder and beige carpet.
"Carpeting gives you a whole new outlook on life, you don't need
furniture."
Eno's voice has absolutely nothing in common with the vocal tracks on
"Here Come The Warm Jets", his forthcoming L.P.
His pronounciation is that of a soft-spoken gentleman. His singing is
not unlike the shriek of a hare that's just caught an air gun Pellet
up the ass.
Given only the minutest amount of prompting, he will talk non-stop for
hours. In this case, the mere mention of his vocal techniques sets him
off "VOCAL TECHNIQUES. That's something I've never even thought about.
Why, I propose the question to myself do people sing certain ways at
certain times in history? Why should I want to sing through my nose?"
(He breaks into "Baby's On Fife", a track from H.C.T.W.J. and, as if
it's her cue, a 6 ft. 2 in. 195 lb. negress enters the room, lights
his cigarette, and without saying a word, exits.) -- What I like is
when you get a combination of something that's very turned-down and
dark and sinister, but not dramatic - very underhand and almost
inaudible, as opposed to the kind of aggression that people like the
Floyd use, which is very obvious assault. Iggy Pop does it as well.
"I like taking something that's played down -lowkey - contrasting with
a voice that's very anguished, making the whole sound grotesque and
aggressive in a pathetic and laughable way. "Baby's On Fire", starts
out as though it's going to be very sinister, but has very ordinary
words, sung with an incredible amount of passion." What about the song
which incorporated 27 pianos? - the one that was inspired by a dream .
. . "You mean "On Some Faraway Beach". It wasn't only inspired - all
the words to that occurred in the dream. I quite often wake up and
write down my dreams because I find them so completely mysterious. I
can't see what it was in me that made me put together that particular
combination of items. "I find the dreams are always much more
brilliant in their construction than anything I consciously think of.
On that particular one, I just woke up with all these words in my head
and I wrote them straight down in the dark. When writing from dreams,
you don't feel any responsibility for what you do, which is important
to me. Another way I write lyrics is to get the backing track down and
then play it with a cassette near by and, as it's playing, I start
singing anything to it - like 'ba-do-de-be-de-n- do-day'. And I do
that a lot until I finally end up with a version in scat singing. Then
I listen to that again and again until eventually I don't hear it as
nonsense anymore and I start hearing words. Then I write them out and
they become the words to the song. I find it absolutely impossible to
sit down without music and write lyrics because basically I haven't
got anything to say in a direct way like that. The actual musical
context of a song is always so much more expressive than the words
are. Lyrics in songs, in nearly 8O% of cases, actually make the song
less interesting. The lyrics I like best are the ones which are either
completely bland like the early rock lyrics, where there's obviously
no attempt to do anything but to sing a melody - or, on the other
hand, I admire the ones of the great librettists like Noel Coward. And
also Bryan . . ." "Ferry?" "Yeah, I think Bryan's an extraordinary
lyricwriter, but in a style that I could never do. That kind of verbal
imagery doesn't really come from me very much. I have no pretensions
to poetry at all. "The deciding factor about what words I use is what
vowels they have in them - what their phonetic structure is. "If you
use a word that's got an 'o' vowel sound in it, it necessarily sounds
soft and subdued and grave and solemn. If you use a word that's got an
'e' or 'i' sound in it, it usually sounds angry, i.e. (sings) 'Baby's
on fiiyerr' You could never do that with a word with an 'o' in it. "If
it said: 'Baby goes sloooo-ly', it wouldn't have the same Aggression
rating, and that's the basis I choose words on. It could have been
baby's on anything - 'Baby's on hire' (ha ha ha). which is an
interesting variation. "Fuck! I wish I'd thought of that! I should
have done this interview before I did the album! "I'M ALWAYS PRONE to
do things very quickly, which has distinct advantages - you leave all
the mistakes in, and the mistakes always become interesting. The
Velvet Underground, for example, are the epitome of mistake-filled
music, and it makes the music very subtle and beautiful. "Any feature
can be the most important one - as long as there is one important
feature. There are so many bands who present you with a large number
of well-done features - none of which are important. "I think that
bands like Yes and E.L.P., even The Floyd who everyone's saying are
the beginning of something new and exciting - the new rock tradition -
are just tying up a lot of loose ends. "They're finishing something
off which is a useful function, but not one which should be confused
with breaking new territory." His voice trails off as he spies a copy
of Search magazine. He leafs through it with obvious pleasure, but the
gleam in his eyes softens, and sadly he shakes his head - -,It's a
burning shame that most people want to keep pornography under cover
when it's such a highly developed artform - which is one of the
reasons that I started collecting pornographic playing cards I've got
about 50 packs which feature on all my recordcovers for the astute
observer. "There's something about pornography which has a similarity
to rock music. A pornographic photographer aims his camera absolutely
directly, at the centre of sexual attention. He's not interested in
the environment of the room. "I hate the sort of photography in
Penthouse and Playboy which is such a compromise between something to
give you a hard-on and something which pretends to be artistic. The
straight pornographers aim right there where it's at. "Which is
analogous to so many other situations where somebody thinks one thing
is important, so they focus completely on that and don't realise
they're unconsciously organising everything else around it as well. I
have such beautiful pornogragraphy - I'll show you my collection
sometime."The last guy invited me up to see his etchings. "One theory
is that black-and-white photography is always more sexy than colour
photography. The reason for this is provided by Marshall McLuhan, who
points out that if a thing is 'high definition,' which colour
photography is, it provides more information and doesn't require
participation as much as if it is 'low definition'." I.e. a horror
play on the radio is always very, very frightening because the imagery
is always your own. If you'rechoosing your own imagery, you'll always
choose the most frightening, or in the case of pornography, the most
sexual. "The idea of things being low definition has always interested
me a lot - of being unspecific - another thing which is a key-point of
my lyrics. They must be 'low definition' so that they don't say
anything at all direct. I think the masters of that were Lou Reed and
Bob Dylan (on "Blonde on BIonde"). The lyrics are so inviting.
"DO YOU KNOW WHAT 'burning shame' is by the way? It's a pornographic
term for a deviation involving candles. "Ouch!" - Very popular in
Japanese pornography. They're always using lit candles because
Japanese pornography is very sadistic, partly because of the Japanese
view of women, which is a mixture of resentment and pure animal lust.
"In the traditional view, a woman is still expected to be at the
beck'n' call of her husband, so that manifests itself in that kind of
pornography. Of which I have a few examples, of course. "Mexican
pornography is an interesting island of thought because they seem to
be heavily into excretory functions. The traditional American view is
that anything issued from the body is dirty. It's incredibly
puritanical and it resents bodily fluids, so if one is trying to
debase a woman, you cover them with that and hence you get the
fabulous term 'Golden Showers' - the term for pissing on someone,
which some well-known rock musicians are said to be very involved in .
. ."Here comes the warm jets? "That's certainly a reference." That
he's considered to be a film star of sorts in a few very 'elite'
circles. - Any chance of him making a comeback to the Screen? "Some of
the movies I did were very funny - they had to pretend to have a plot.
Ha ha. "Can I show you my pubic area?" (! ! !) He exposes his stomach
down to his, ah - about six inches below his Navel. "Absolutely bare!
Now I've got this beautiful bare belly! I've got this new Japanese
thing, you see and the Japanese don't have much hair on their bodies
'Japanese culture I tip as the next big thing." I glance nervously
over at the flickering candle on the windowsill. Out of nowhere, Eno
produces a very extraordinary looking object which he explains to be
the 'Double Punkt Roller', a massage device used in Victorian times. I
mavel at its aesthetic qualities and he assures me that it can only be
fully appreciated when used on the bare buttocks. We conclude that art
which demands participation holds the greatest appeal. "I think that
until the turn of the century, art was always the abject - the thing
on the wall - whereas now, the orientation is more to think that art
is the process, or what happens to you when you view it. "I think this
is an important part of Gary Glitter's records in that they make you
move in a funny sort of way. Or reggae. It's not possible to assess
them without taking into account the part of their existence which
causes a certain kind of behaviour. "I've always been interested in
the idea of what I call systems art/systems music', which is where you
think first of all of your activity as a system which must be intact
and interesting - and you think of the artwork which also must be
interesting - and you think of the listener as a system which must be
interesting too. So you must work on all these levels. "That's why I
don't like the idea of spending months and years recording, because
essentially, that isn't an interesting process to me." AT THIS POINT,
a leather-clad redhead, her fingers covered with glue and green
parakeet feathers enters the room and announces the arrival of 'the
carpenter'. At 1.00 a.m. the inhabitants of the house appear to be
waking up, an what all the excitement is about I'm rather reluctant to
discover. Gentleman that he is, Von Eno sers me to the door, and,
gazing down the night-time street: "Did you know there's a girls'
school with 400 girls just round the corner? Very nice, I'll tell you,
it really is lovely. I mean they're so beautiful those little girls
are. My conscience won't let me tamper - feel I might damage their
lives if I do anything."